Linggo, Nobyembre 16, 2008

On self, psych, and computing

There's one problem with all psychological knowledge — nobody can apply it to themselves. People can be incredibly astute about the shortcomings of their friends, spouses, children. But they have no insight into themselves at all. The same people who are coldly cleary-eyed about the world around them have nothing but fantasies about themselves.  Psychological knowledge doesn't work if you look in a mirror. This bizarre fact is, as far as I know, unexplained.

Personally, I always thought there was a clue from computer programming, in a procedure called recursion. Recursion means making the program loop back on itself, to use its own information to do things over and over until it gets a result. You use recursion for certain data-sorting algorithms and things like that. But it's got to be done carefully, or you risk having the machine fall into what is called an infinite regress. It's the programming equivalent of those funhouse mirrors that reflect mirrors, and mirrors, ever smaller and smaller, stretching away to infinity. The program keeps going, repeating and repeating, but nothing happens. The machine hangs.

I always figured something similar must happen when people turn their psychological insight-apparatus on themselves. The brain hangs. The thought process goes and goes, but it doesn't get anywhere. It must be something like that, because we know people can think about themselves indefinitely. Some people think of little else. Yet people never seem to change as a result of their intensive introspection. They never understand themselves better. It's very rare to find genuine self-knowledge.

It's almost as if you need someone else to tell you who you are, or to hold up the mirror for you. Which, if you think about it, is very weird.

Or maybe it's not.

There's an old question in artificial intelligence about whether a program can ever be aware of itself. Most programmers will say it was impossible. People have tried to do it, and failed.

But there's a more fundamental version of the question, a philosophical question about whether any machine can understand its own workings. Some people say that's impossible, too. The machine can't know itself for the same reason you can't bite your own teeth. And it certainly seems to be impossible: the human brain is the most complicated structure in the known universe, but brains still know very little about themselves.

I am so loving and dreading getting back to thinking about theories in computing! Loving since I get to exercise rusty brain cells and recall theories, theorems, and lemmas that I've learned to use and facilitate efficient programs before. Dreading since I know that it's been a very long while since I actually used the knowledge and that I may have already forgotten how most stuff work.

Being a student again has its perks, pluses, and pitfalls.

13 komento:

  1. In my haste to leave home, I forgot to credit the quoted text in the entry. That's from Prey by Michael Crichton. There are a big lot of scientific inconsistencies, particularly towards the end of the book, but just think of them as necessary to the plot. It was a nice day "wasted" just reading a book. I finally got that pesky cough to a little itchy throat.

    TumugonBurahin
  2. I hope not. It sounds very Matrix-ey. Maybe the Master Programmer has arranged for this to never happen precisely because machines can overrun us.

    TumugonBurahin
  3. How can something man-made realize its own mistakes when man himself could not? O_O Very philosophical indeed. One might as well ask the question, is theology under psychology, or rather, without reason, would faith be under physiology? Can numbers explain thoughts? Can formulas explain mistakes? Can postulates explain the very core of our beliefs?

    Indeed sir, I know what you mean... Being college is a bane for me. These ideas repeat itself in my mind. O_O Jadd, I think we need that party. XD

    TumugonBurahin
  4. I would like to contest psych not being applicable to one's self. I've done it numerous times and have succeeded with a handful of attempts. Basically, it takes A LOT of time, effort and understanding but it is possible to do it to yourself. Sigmund Freud did most of his analysis on himself too.

    TumugonBurahin
  5. I would like to think the philosophy is the creation can not surpass its creator — not by design but just by restriction.

    TumugonBurahin
  6. I think that's the counterfaith argument that "it's all in the head". As for college, you ARE introduced to free thinking that MAY go one way or another. That can be triggered even before though. I've actually had existential thoughts as young as three (I remember the venue clearly and it surely couldn't have been after I was that little) coming from the fact that I was just there. How was I there? I think it's from those Flying House or Superbook stories that expose a kid to thoughts or theories that are given adults, too. Let's have that party.

    TumugonBurahin
  7. ...and Sigmund Freud was able to generalize himself for everybody. Isn't that bad? :D Imagine all his own self-workings (read: flaws) applied to the general population. (Talk about anima? That's his own homosexual tendencies, then. Talk about superego? Well, well, well.) I think it IS possible, but it's more efficient to have someone show you how you are (not who you are) since wemay be oblivious to some things we do. Ever heard your own recorded voice and be surprised at how differently you sound to others than when you're hearing yourself in your own inner space.

    TumugonBurahin
  8. College makes us think too much. :| Let's show up for the Christmas party and leech! :))

    TumugonBurahin
  9. The restriction of a higher rationality? The kind that makes Pi irrational but makes it part of every circle.

    TumugonBurahin
  10. Yes and that's why it's a theory but the best psychologist/doctor in life is yourself. Sometimes people can't ever understand how you think.

    TumugonBurahin
  11. Dunno about you, but I've been invited. >:P

    TumugonBurahin
  12. These I have to agree with... How're you folks?

    TumugonBurahin
  13. Fine when you remove the fact that I get home late (last night I got home at 10 PM) and then I have a total of around 100 pages worth of Psychology and History to read every Tuesday and Thursday...

    TumugonBurahin